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Teri Teri
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Hello,

I just went to read a few pieces I'd been asked to look at. I didn't leave public comments because the last thing I need is another debate. I'm smack in the middle of the 11th Plague of Egypt: non-stop PMS. I'll end up killing someone.

However, I'd like to make a few suggestions about reviews - giving and receiving.

First, if you're unsure about something you believe may be a misspelling, please research it first. We have an eclectic mix on this site, and the variations in UK and US spelling are substantial. Tyre is correct as is grey, honour, pyjamas, diarrhoeia, sympathise and a whole host of others. Chances are if you see an unfamiliar spelling of something and the writer is not from the US, it's the UK vs US thing. Same with UK reviewers.

Next, please stop using word processing grammar checks and suggesting those corrections to others. Most of the time, they're incorrect, and you end up looking as foolish as they are. Sentence fragments are allowed in some cases. If you disagree, don't use them in your own work. If you strongly disagree, go exhume Raymond Carver and have it out with him. Dialogue is allowed to start short stories. Again, if you wish to debate this, call Deborah Eisenberg, Lorrie Moore and Alice Munro, all of whom can write most writers under the table. And use sentence fragments. And start off their sentences with conjunctions.

Before you make a correction, be willing to bet your liver it's correct. We all make mistakes, but I keep seeing corrections that make me shudder. It, possessive, is its. 'It is' is it's. There is no such word as her's.

And if you receive a review and don't agree with it, ignore it. Don't listen to these people who refuse to suggest, but instead, demand. Most reviews are subjective. Yes, you can learn from them, but we're all amateurs here. Our opinions are crap as compared to the fact this is your writing, not ours. It's akin to someone telling you how to raise your children. I've heard of people getting murdered for less.

*lights cigarette, dons blindfold*

Fire away.

Teri xo





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29/09/2007
I LOVE YOU, BLONDIE!

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29/09/2007
I've learned a lot from Teri and let me add she's kinder than my own writing group. The critique's I get from them are hell on earth. I continue to write if only to make them weep when they see Louis coming along. (LOL) I toy with them and that is evil i know (he he he); I give them the first version of my work, whereas ER gets the third or even the fourth rewrite. If they ever see this message they'd probably kick me out.

Spelling will always be contentious. In South Africa we call traffic lights - ROBOTS, we call service stations GARAGES and car ports are also known a GARAGES. We call the front verandah a STOEP, and a cook out or barbeque is a BRAAI or BRAAIVLEIS. Automobile is a CAR. Ketchup is TOMATO SAUCE. There are hundreds more.

I usually work on the 2nd or 3rd draft by using a thesaurus, a medical dictionary and a thick webster's dictionary to get the words just right. Sometimes I miss, most times I make just the right choice.

Respect


Post edited on: 29/09/2007 09:18:49 AM

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29/09/2007
AMEN!

I had such a hard time with "its" v. "it's" until someone told me to use the latter only if you can break it down into "it is" (which Teri said, but I wanted to go into a little bit greater detail for simpletons like me). Hope that helps!

I wonder if this counts as community service time...I have thirty more hours, and I'd rather spend it pointing out the grammatical shortcomings of others instead of picking up garbage by the highway.

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 09:02:10 AM

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29/09/2007
Traffic lights = Robots = Incredibly cruel.

Yeah, I always tell people that when they complain I've been too mean. They're free to ignore me, yet they insist on pestering me over "how can you think that this isn't great?"

Have people really been giving reviews that say fragments are completely taboo? That's . . . interesting.


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29/09/2007
To say that you should ignore ALL demands is ridiculous. If a suggestion is emphatic, there might be a reason for it. I say, take each suggestion as equals, and deal with each individually.

alien
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29/09/2007
Teri. I couldn't agree more.

Luckily, I have never been exposed to such foolishness, but I can tell you what I'd do if I was.

I'd set you on them!

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29/09/2007
*hugs*
<3

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29/09/2007
Ah, but a demand and a suggestion are quite different. If someone were to demand I look both ways before crossing the street, I'd likely be road kill. However were they to suggest such a thing, I might make it to dinner that night.

Demands are for children and prisoners. I don't believe they are meant for your friends and equals. But moving on...

Kudos Teri! I couldn't agree more. People get far too high-headed sometimes. But that's likely because I break rules and stuff...

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29/09/2007
"Ain't got no gun ta shoot ya, Teri-girl." <-- dialect

In the end, keep an open ear/eye to all crits, but heed only what suits you and what is accurate. I don't cotton to using "its" when "it's" is the correct word in the context; calling out this error does the writer a favor. Submitting a draft to an agent or publisher with such mistakes doesn't exactly endear you to those professionals. Same goes for query letters, resumes and anything else where you want to impress people.

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 01:04:48 PM

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29/09/2007
Mycenia wrote:

"If someone were to demand I look both ways before crossing the street, I'd likely be road kill. However were they to suggest such a thing, I might make it to dinner that night."

It's noon and already we have a quote of the day! Brilliant, brilliant!

Teri
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29/09/2007
"""To say that you should ignore ALL demands is ridiculous. """

Of course it is, Invisible Person, which is why I didn't say that.

"""I wonder if this counts as community service time..."""

The judge and my parole officer said it did.

True story: I used to help out a friend in his liquor store. One night, a guy came in and told me [chronic, severe drunks are very forthright and so much fun] how he'd just been let out of prison. I asked why he was in, and he told me for attacking the man who ran the anger management program he'd been sentenced to attend for domestic violence. See, the guy running the program told the customer guy he had a volatile temper, and the customer disagreed. So, WAP. He threw a chair at him.

I'm sorry, but that still makes me laugh.

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29/09/2007
Bravo, Teri!


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29/09/2007
You right good, Teri.

The old editor's chestnut:

"It's a happy dog that scratches its fleas"

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29/09/2007
Teri, I couldn't agree more.
I've been asked to write to Brirish style rules and that opened my eyes and mind to differences in spelling, idioms, and more. How are we going to learn if we're afraid to correct our mistakes?

Nora
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29/09/2007
the critiques and editorials i've received here have taught me so much. i'm grateful to the extreme for the input i've gotten. aside from pointing out SPaG (way to invent a new term, teri) errors, teri's helped me to remember the importance of getting the reader from the first word and to kick backstory to the curb; julia "the butcher" taught me to trim the fat from the meat to make it tastier and to ratchet up the action; costa taught me the value of strong dialogue and compelling psycological character motivations; jim and mitch have helped me with SPaG, structure, character and POV in more ways than i could ever go into in this thread.

everyone else offers me laughs, inspiration, ideas, knowledge and insight. i've had my work questioned and critiqued, and it's only been helpful.

viva ER.

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 02:58:00 PM

Teri
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29/09/2007
and snora has taught me how to type with one hand while holding a baby. okay, so this is not a baby. it's johnny depp. trussed like a chicken. shhhh, johnny, it's okay. it rubs the lotion on its skin.

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29/09/2007
If I don't get critical comments on my writing, I cut myself to keep things level.

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29/09/2007
I avoid these problems altogether by just not reviewing and critiquing other's work.

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29/09/2007
Teri, please don't do that to Johnny Depp . . .

Nora
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29/09/2007
'eri, the reaction i had to this:

and snora has taught me how to type with one hand while holding a baby. okay, so this is not a baby. it's johnny depp. trussed like a chicken. shhhh, johnny, it's okay. it rubs the lotion on its skin.

--earned me one of ken's concerned looks.

Nora
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29/09/2007
mitch:

If I don't get critical comments on my writing, I cut myself to keep things level.

i laughed so hard i had an accident.

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29/09/2007
Don't worry, Nordic Track. I won't judge you for your incontinence.

Nora
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29/09/2007
who's nordic track?

Nora
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29/09/2007
i'm tony little's gazelle.

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29/09/2007
You're Nordic Track. It's the most random pun I could come up with for your name at the time.

My dad had one of the Tony Little things. It was a trip.
I've got the Chuck Norris Total Gym in my spare bedroom. I don't use it as often as I should.

Teri
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29/09/2007
i would never hurt johnny. by the way, from now on - when i'm in my jame gumb mode - i'm going to type with no caps. shhhh, johnny. now it places the lotion in the basket. yes, it does, precious. it will do it. or it will get the hose.

MarkAikins
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29/09/2007
Many of us have likely been on writers sites where we've gotten a wide variety of critical input. My experience here on ER thus far has been that people tend not to be critical enough, but to spread around the most honey they can on an entire loaf of bread slices. I would love it if each of us was to treat a smaller number of more select "victims" to a more thorough going over than merely to tell them "bravo!" or "awesome read" or "wonderful write."

I think the benefit of this kind of site has just as much to do with exercising our CRITICAL skills as it does our WRITING abilities. If someone isn't interested in being a little analytical and a bit more helpful than just cheap flattery, then I sometimes (SOMETIMES) question what they are doing here. It is clear that most are far more prolific with producing than critiquing, and that is understandable. But I would still encourage people to TRY. I realize it is annoying to get input that seems naive or inaccurate, but no one says you are obliged to dispute such input. Don't lose sleep over it. Just be gracious and consider the source. Your critic needs room to grow, just as you need to grow as a writer. And BOTH areas of growth are necessary.

For my part, I hope sincerely that if someone reads a crit from me that is off-base in any way (such as my correction of LJ's "stoep", since I didn't know the term), they will FEEL FREE to correct my misunderstanding--not merely get p.o.ed at me because I didn't look up the term. I would not be a member here if I had no desire to learn from y'all! (That's suthern fer "youse guys.")

So, anyway, my advice to all is to be as tolerant with one another's critiques as we are with one another's writing. I agree that it is annoying to read something that seems to be a DEMAND, but, hey, we are all "big enough and ugly enough" (as my granny used to say) to take a few lumps now and then, long as it doesn't get TOO ugly. Right?

Blessings, all

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29/09/2007
Oh give me a home, where NO buffalo roam ...

Nora
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29/09/2007
mark: good point. that gives me food for thought.

jame gumb via 'eri: give me back my dog, you b!t(#.

m'poo: you can do it!

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 08:02:06 PM

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 08:02:27 PM

Teri
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29/09/2007
Hi, Mark,

You make some interesting and valid points.

I belong to three writing sites counting ER. One is highly professional, serious and rip-em-apart. I've taken my licks on there, but it's helped me in ways I couldn't begin to list. The reviews aren't rude, but they're very honest. And if anyone here thinks the ones on ER are too critical, they'd last all of a day on the other site. Plus, you're expected to take it without complaint. The reviews are private - only you see them. There's a minimum of 100 words per review in order for it to count. and you must give five reviews before you can upload something of your own. The ratings for these reviews are important, too, so there's rarely any honey-spreading.

The other site, and one I rarely, rarely go to anymore, is mostly arfers and cheerleaders. I maybe get one helpful review there every four to six months. In fact, I haven't been there in a while because mostly it's poetry, and that's not my genre.

And then there's ER, which I consider home. I won't get into the fun we have here, but I will say this is where I receive the most help, although it's not as common as it once was.

However, I get what I give back. Usually. And I've changed my personal reviewing policy. If I get arfed, I don't return the review. Sounds snotty? Maybe, but for all I know, the person didn't even read the piece. 'I like this' is not a review. It doesn't take very much for someone to write what exactly they liked about it. What hit them as great, good or maybe not so well, but it wasn't anything fatal. And I don't mean pieces of micro. Those should be torn apart, too, if necessary, but let's face it: it's hard to do a full contact review on a hundred or two hundred words.

But what goes up my nose a mile is when I get a review that states something like: I didn't understand this word. I don't know what it means.

Well, I didn't invent the word, so what does it take to look up the meaning? And am I supposed to care? Where is that person's pride? Because now, to me, that person looks a little daft and lazy.

It's not the reviews, but the quality of the reviews I read today that aggravated me. Someone corrected the spelling of a UK writer who wrote 'pyjamas'. Another person said the proper spelling was 'her's'. Another laid into someone about sentence fragments when the fragment was well-written and part of a thought process. I could see 'MICROSOFT GRAMMAR CHECK' all over it. And that's what got me started.

What finished me off was reading 'Change this because I didn't like it.' Excuse me? That's not a review; it's a military order.

Nothing here, by the way, is directed at you personally, Mark. You've given me help, and I've read a lot of your reviews on other pieces. You should be commended on your reviewing skills, and thank you for sharing them.

*does 3 1/2 somersault tuck off soapbox, and gets a 9.9 from the French judge*

T. xo

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29/09/2007
If I love a story, i say so, if I say nothing, its usually because I agree with most of the comment. HOWEVER, SPaG errors tend to jump out at me at time, and darned if I don't mention it. Forgive me if you hate it, ignore if you want to, but I do it anyway, and I would expect and respect the same in kind.

So feel free to tear my writing to shreds, I probably need it. I'll do the same to you if it warrents it, even if I love the piece. (Love the word SPaG, btw, LOL)

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 08:43:33 PM

Nora
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29/09/2007
aye giif yuh een et.

MarkAikins
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29/09/2007
No clarification needed, Teri-kins. You know me well enough by now to be sure I wouldn't take offense (or offence) at your tirades! (especially the pre-menstrual ones).

*The Bohemian judge just kicked Frenchie off his stool and held up a 10.0*

Teri
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29/09/2007
Jen, please, please feel free [and this is for everyone] to point out my SPaG-ups. And I'd love to take credit for that, but it's been around for a while. Like me.

Mark: Oh, dear. This isn't pre-menstrual. This is omni-menstrual. I plan on being in a very bad mood for the next ten to twenty years.

You people thought I was kidding when I said I was the queen around here? Oh, ye of little faith.

Elizabeth Bathory xo

Teri
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29/09/2007
PS - Nora: have you been smoking the similax again?

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29/09/2007
I am putting "NIce Work" on all of Teri's uploads.

*runs and hides behind Nora*

MarkAikins
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29/09/2007
Hey, if a mom is puffing powdered formula, it's a cinch the nursing thing isn't going on in that house, so why not just revert to regular weed? Just wondering about these universal mysteries of motherhood.

*and the Scottish judge is still making up his mind about the dive...*

Nora
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29/09/2007
i always wanted to be a food critic because i would love to dine out and describe food for a living. unfortunately i'll eat just about anything and like it. that's how i seem to be rolling on that front here at er.

i am just not critical. that makes me the best and worst consumer in the world. i read pieces that i love, pieces i hate and pieces that don't make any impression at all. but i don't comment on everything i read because it is often simply a matter of my opinion. i only comment if i feel i can offer technical advice or if the spirit moves me.

i'm way guilty of not getting down analytically. i like to keep the SPaG tight, but my reaction to content is subjective.

like thula said, with some writings, previous readers have said it already. i have nothing substantial to add. with others, i might jump in on a SPaG mission. on others still, it just might not be my flavor, but so what? that doesn't mean it isn't good.

when someone asks me directly what i think about it, i might look at the piece a little differently. i can't help but feel, despite the public nature of posting writing on er, that anything beyond a technical response is an unsolicited opinion.



Nora
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29/09/2007
brilliant idea, mark!

*hustles off to buy a nickel bag and a swisher sweet*

Post edited on: 29/09/2007 09:09:51 PM

Teri
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29/09/2007
Okay, that's fair.

So to clarify: I want reviews that shred, no matter what it is. I wrote this to CrystalRose a while back: even if you love something, there's always something you'd change. Well, most likely. And I'd point it out, even if it sounds silly [I'm talking my own work]. It may make the difference as to whether or not an editor accepts the work or not.

Speaking of which, I gotta go do some things. Plus, the phone should be ringing in a bit for my tucking-in call. *wriggles again*

Ni' night, you lovely people. *smooooooooooch*

Teri xo

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29/09/2007
Not all critiques or comments need to be analytical. It's just that if you like something, there's gonna likely be a reason you can put your finger on (even if it's been said before, you can second the opinion of others and it will gain more weight)

My current practice is to scan the current downloads, especially of my readers group, and aim mostly at those that have the fewest comments showing. That way I can take a fresher look at the piece without other opinions clouding my impressions.

Another thing that is very helpful to me is when a reader has a certain association that comes to mind when reading my stuff and shares that connection with me. Such as: your story reads like something Somerset Maugham may have written (as if...if only). Or your story made me think of a story from mythology or a piece from a broadway show. Things like that can be great, maybe suggesting that what a person writes needs to be reworked into a more original style or advantage made of that other connection somehow in a rewrite.

All kinds of helpful input are possible...be creative in your crits. It takes some time, but it can be a labor of love--for your art and for your fellow artist.

*stubs toe on board before performing colossal belly-flopper*

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29/09/2007
or if a piece inspires you to sing barry manilow in all caps, you big hunk of barry lover.

MarkAikins
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29/09/2007
OH, MANDY!
YOU CAME AND YOU GAVE WITHOUT TAKIN'...
BUT I SENT YOU AWAY,
OH, MANDY!
HOW YOU KISSED ME AND STOPPED ME FROM SHAKIN...
AND I NEED YOU TODAY,
OH, MANDY!

Dated my wife of thirty years to his songs! Classics, every one!

THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, WHEREVER YOU ARE...
TO SAY THAT NOTHIN'S BEEN THE SAME
SINCE WE'VE BEEN APART, OOHHH!

Golly, those were the days.

Dragon Pizza across the street from campus at one in the morning with my honey, taking a break from exam-cramming.

I WRITE THE SONGS THAT MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD SING,
I WRITE THE SONGS OF LOVE AND SPE--CIAL THI--INGS
I WRITE THE SONGS THAT MAKE THE YOUNG GIRLS CRY--Y,
I WRITE THE SONGS, I WRITE THE SONGS!

Blessings.

(copied/pasted from another thread...)

Gotta get my vinyl albums outa mothballs TOMORROW!

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29/09/2007
Countess Erzsébet Báthory (Báthory Erzsébet in Hungarian, Alžbeta Bátoriová(-Nádasdy) in Slovak, Elżbieta Batory in Polish, 7 August (?), 1560 – 21 August, 1614), was a Hungarian countess from the renowned Báthory family.

She is considered the most infamous serial killer in Hungarian and Slovak history and is remembered as the Bloody Lady of Čachtice (Csejte), after the castle near Trenčín (Trencsén), in Royal Hungary, in present-day Slovakia, where she spent most of her life.

After her husband's death, she and her four alleged collaborators were accused of torturing and killing dozens of girls and young women. In 1610, she was imprisoned in Čachtice Castle, where she remained until her death four years later. Her nobility allowed her to avoid trial and execution. The Báthory case has inspired many stories, featuring the countess bathing in the blood of her victims in order to retain her youth. This inspired nicknames like the Blood Countess and Countess Dracula .Elizabeth Bathory, she became known as the Bloody Countess for her obsession with blood. She was convinced that blood would give her beauty. She murdered hundreds of maidens only for their blood, she drunk, bathed and showered in the blood of the young maidens. Many girls were brought to her and slaughtered with the help of her lieutenants. The body count is estimated at 50 to 100 women.

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29/09/2007
I wrote a poem about her!

(Iiiii'm disturbed. ^_^)

Yeah, in the bad old days, there were just a ton of people who slaughtered hundreds of people. Read "The History of Murder" by Colin Wilson

Nora
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29/09/2007
and today's serial killers are supposed to be such monsters. goes to show, ain't a new thing under the sun.

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29/09/2007
You are so right, Nory.

Niccole, you continue to scare me :-p

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30/09/2007
:)

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30/09/2007
I like this thread.

Nora
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30/09/2007
it likes you back.

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30/09/2007
"What we have now is a tedious, repetitive, unoriginal body of dogma--clarity, sincerity, plainness, duty. . .based on a false theory of knowledge; its scorn of ornament, on a misleading taxonomy of style. . ." from Style: An Anti-Textbook (--a little out of context, but try to read between the lines.)

Teri
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30/09/2007
*stretches*

Good morning. Anyone got a banama muffin? I'm hungry.

My lord, this thread has covered a lot of subjects. Barry Manilow, serial killers - all of whom, by the way, were either terrible reviewers or didn't appreciate bad reviews. You see those 50 - 100 victims of Countess Bathory?

Yup. All gave her some bad reviews on a love poem she wrote. And just cuz it rhymed. They nailed the reviews on the church door, and the next thing they knew ... WAP. They were Mr. Bubble.

Little known fact about Jack the Ripper: those last three victims of his? You got it. They reviewed the work he'd submitted to newspapers and ... WAP again. Whitechapel McNuggets.

Nora
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30/09/2007
those poor hookers had literary aspirations. i wonder if j2d4d jim duley was their pimp?

is lemon poppyseed ok?

Post edited on: 30/09/2007 06:25:26 AM

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30/09/2007
*sniff* They was my best girls, too *sniff*

Nora
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30/09/2007
j2d4d, you are the pimp-daddy of all pimp-daddys. i remain your humble servant.

Teri
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30/09/2007
I love lemon poppyseed, thank you.

Jim's a pimp? So cool. We can make money now.

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30/09/2007
Jim, you've gotta get them hooked on crack first. That cuts pesky things like literary aspirations ... and free will out of the equation. Then they do nothing but make you money.


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30/09/2007
Well stated. Colour/color is another word that is 'wrangled.'

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30/09/2007
Thanks, Mitch, I'm somewhat new at this pimping thing, though I like the new togs.

Teri
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30/09/2007
Okay, next person that comes in here and that's invisible gets a bucket of mud thrown on them.

Who are all these invisible people?

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30/09/2007
Teri, it's a secret order hellbent on infiltrating ER, stealing all of our creative thoughts and making us zombie slaves.

Or, it's just another "feature" of the last upgrade.

Which do you believe?

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30/09/2007
I wish I was invisible. Then I could tell Teri what I really think of her and she wouldn't find me and skin me.

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30/09/2007
Mitch, you don't understand . . . she doesn't need to see you to find you. You'd have better luck being a zombie slave. You get to eat brains and everything!

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30/09/2007
Good point, JimYYZ2112, or whatever the Hell Nora calls you.

Teri
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30/09/2007
Mitchell, you can tell me what you really think of me. I'd never go to Kansas for any reason. I'm allergic to never-ending, continual boredom. You're safe there.

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30/09/2007
It's "j2d4d," my pimp name, sucka.

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30/09/2007
Heeeeeeeee! Teri funny.

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30/09/2007
I love you Teri. You know that.

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30/09/2007
Facts about Kansas:

Fact: The only famous person to come out of Kansas tried to leave via a tornado. And her little dog, too.

Fact: People are so reluctant to have anything to do with Kansas, they change the pronunciation if it's even close to them. [See 'Arkansas']

Fact: There are more sheep in Kansas than people. There are more sheep than people in Kansas who can pronounce Arkansas properly. There are more coma victims in Kansas than all other states combined.

Fact: The leading cause of death in Kansas is malignant yawning.

Need I go on?

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30/09/2007
Fact: I live half a mile from Kansas, and I only go there maybe six times a year. I'm excluding the times I have to drive/ride on the west side of State Line Road.

Fact: My one story that takes place in Kansas involves freezing rain, animal abuse, and methamphetamines.

Fact: Kansas is flatter than a pancake.

Fact: I have been kicked out of Kansas. Seriously, the cop that pulled my friend and I over pointed east and told us not to stop driving until we got to Missouri.


Teri
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30/09/2007
That's because you're much too exciting for Kansas, Lydia. Plus, you have a pulse and brain activity.

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30/09/2007
Hey, come on. I can't help it where I was born. And if I didn't love my job, I'd probably be gone.

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30/09/2007
Kansas has jobs?

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30/09/2007
You're self-employed, right?

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30/09/2007
(sigh)

I've worked in Kansas...Leawood, Kansas to be specific. I worked at Dean and Deluca, which is this gourmet food store. I got treated like crap by the wealthy customers AND the heartless managers, but I ate like a damn king. Crab cakes, tiramisu, prime rib, roasted asparagus...divine!

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30/09/2007
"Hey, come on. I can't help it where I was born. And if I didn't love my job, I'd probably be gone."

Just admit it, Mitchell...you're a Phelps kid. ;)

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30/09/2007
tee hee

September 30th is now The Official "Pick On All Things Kansas, Especially Mitchell" Day.

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30/09/2007
You know your from Kansas if . . .
.. . you see more sheep than people!

(I guess I'll leave the joke telling to you guys).

Teri
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30/09/2007
Oh. We're not supposed to mention sheep in front of Jim. He's in a 12 step program.

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30/09/2007
Before Jim makes any progress, he first has to admit that he is powerless against sheep, and I don't know if he's ready for that.

Teri
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30/09/2007
Maybe he's not, but the sheep are.

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30/09/2007
LOL! God, you crack me up, Teri.

Teri
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30/09/2007
And in related news:

Jim's Hero

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30/09/2007
bwahahaha

"""Johnson responded, "I probably do need some help, but I don't know if this is the time or place for it," """

And when would that time be? When he takes out mint jelly-flavored lubricating oil?

*ow* I gotta stop falling out of this bed.

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30/09/2007
LOL! And it wasn't even in The Onion . . .

Teri
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30/09/2007
I wonder if because it was a lamb, they'll charge him with sex with a minor.

I gotta stop this. My tummy and sides are killing me again. And I don't want to get Jim mad. *still giggling, only behind hand this time*

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30/09/2007
Re: Jim's Hero - he looks like a sheep shearer, doesn't he? What? It wasn't shearing he was doing? He did what? Ewwww.

"Before Jim makes any progress, he first has to admit that he is powerless against sheep, and I don't know if he's ready for that." How can ewe say it's baaaad? Oh, yeah, ask Leroy Donald Johnson. At least he was drunk.

(BTW, does he need a 24 step program with his abuse issues? Does it accumulate like that or is it 12 for the whole shebang?)

Post edited on: 30/09/2007 09:35:00 AM

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30/09/2007
I'll give ole Leroy this-if I were that ugly, I might try to (expletive) a sheep too.

Teri, I'm gonna pee myself if you keep crackin' wise...sex with a minor indeed!

BTW, you can read stories like the above at www.dailyrotten.com-their slogan is "News You Cannot Possibly Use"...it's all gross, weird, sordid stuff, if you're into that kind of thang.

You know what Jim? Maybe I've been too judgmental. Whatever occurs between you and the consenting sheep is between you and the consenting sheep. And I can't really blame you-I mean, they come equipped with their own sheepskin condoms. How many chicks can say that?

Teri
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30/09/2007
Lydia's confusing her farm animals again.

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30/09/2007
I'm glad you're seeing the light, Lydia. The point is it has to be a CONSENTING sheep. Don't do what Leroy did . . . the sheep bolted out of there so fast, you can tell the date went bad. Probably didn't bring those cute little booties for the poor thang.

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30/09/2007
"""The point is it has to be a CONSENTING sheep."""

Any other questions as to why I do not travel south of the Mason-Dixon line?

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30/09/2007
"Any other questions as to why I do not travel south of the Mason-Dixon line?"

Nary a one, Teri. (Like the way that rhymed? And I'm not even a poet).

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30/09/2007
Rhyme? *shakes monitor like etch-a-sketch*

Oh, yeah, right. I see it now. One and Teri. Yup. Very good. You do play the banjo, don't you ...

*twirls finger around temple and locks up pigs*

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30/09/2007
PS - And you do know I'm kidding, right?

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30/09/2007
he he he ... yep ;-)

(by the way, the pigs are safe).

Teri
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30/09/2007
Of course they're safe. They're armed. Think of them as terrorists with curly tails.

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30/09/2007
"Lydia's confusing her farm animals again."

What how could this happen?!?!? I got one of those "And the cow goes mooooooo!" wheel-deals at the store yesterday and I've been listening to it studiously.

As for your Mason-Dixon slur-do you have Captain D's? Waffle House? I thought so. Mmm...now I have a fierce craving for a double over-easy plate, scattered, covered, wheat; bacon on one.

Yes, I used to work at the WH and am still familiar with the calls.

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30/09/2007
What's Capt. D's? We have Denny's, IHOP, Bickford's and probably some other places I don't know about. I don't eat out much.

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30/09/2007
Captain D's is like Long John Silver's, but a million times better. They have the most amazing tartar sauce and these things called "stuffed crabs"-it's a little crabshell, eyes and all, filled with fakey crab meat, bread crumbs, etc...great with their cocktail sauce which is on a par with their sublime tartar. I could go for some right now, but I don't think my car would make it there. Plus, I'm on a diet...kind of. It's hard for